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Offline Mikku

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New Year Build - It's Ross MX-Time!!
« on: January 02, 2017, 12:59 AM »
Being based in Japan, I’m always on the look-out for interesting Japanese-made frames, which usually means something from the Tange or Koizumi factories, so when I spotted this for sale over on the Museum, I snapped it up! I knew nothing about Ross Bicycles but upon further investigation it seems that in amongst the lower quality bikes they were known for, there was a decent bike in the form of the oddly-named MX-Time.  Not to be confused with the lower-spec Piranha or Pantera, this was a short-lived but high-end model with quality, Japanese components. There is a good test on the bike in the July ’83 edition of BMX Plus, and a picture of one adorns the front cover:-



There’s also a great advert for the complete bike in the Feb '83 edition of BMX Action:-



This frameset was sourced from the States but originally assembled in the Tange factory [edit:- see comments below for further discussion on this!] in September 1982. I say assembled because the interesting thing about this frame is that it uses Ishiwata tubing, which was also used for the first batch of Skyway T/As. :daumenhoch:

It has some oval tubes and similar dropouts to my Laserlite. However, what sets it apart is the Redline-esque small gusset behind the bottom of the headtube. The condition of the frame is lovely and the welds are, as you’d expect from Tange, excellent. Likewise the bologna cut forks. Here are a few pics of the frameset:-

















This bike was found complete and matched the spec of the bike in the BMX Plus test. Subsequently parted-out, I grabbed the frameset and Takagi Tourney AD 3-piece crankset, and had them shipped back to their homeland. I also had the chance to buy the original Arayas but passed them up due to reliability concerns over the Maillard Helicomatic hubs, which was one of the main criticisms of the bike in the July ’83 test.

So with most of the og parts gone and no desire to go for a factory build, I’ve chosen a mixture of largely Japanese-made parts, in keeping with the spirit of the original spec, though with a few concessions to get the bike up and running. Here's a teaser pic:-



At the moment I'm undecided whether to go with the silver Arayas that I've been using on my recent builds ('84 Free Agent and '84 Motobecane) or "borrow" the black Z-rims from my Laserlite. In any case I'm hoping, or rather, I need to get this done this month, so watch this space! :daumenhoch:





« Last Edit: January 11, 2017, 11:16 AM by Mikku »
From Dorset to Japan:- http://www.radbmx.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,182215.0.html
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Re: New Year Build - It's Ross MX-Time!!
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2017, 04:52 AM »
Same main tubes and gusset as Procraft which also used Ishiwata tubing, very similar forks too although the Procraft has a 5 inch head tube but you can see the similarities in the front triangle.



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« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2017, 05:02 AM »
Yeah, I was eyeing up one those recently as well! They have smoother-looking dropouts than the "normal" Tange offering! Very nice! :daumenhoch:
From Dorset to Japan:- http://www.radbmx.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,182215.0.html
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« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2017, 08:21 AM »
A great find and an interesting read. I've never heard of these before. Top work so far  :daumenhoch:

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« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2017, 11:43 AM »
Nice looking frame and forks Mick  :daumenhoch:

What bars are you gonna use?

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« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2017, 12:04 PM »
Thanks guys! :)

What bars are you gonna use?

I picked up some Win Pro bars on here a while back, and had been keeping them back for this, but they got an advance viewing on the Motobecane! :daumenhoch:
From Dorset to Japan:- http://www.radbmx.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,182215.0.html
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« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2017, 04:21 PM »
Looks as if it's had an easy life from the finish on the frame set

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« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2017, 04:51 PM »
I love stuff like this .. Proper rare exotica .. Lovin' the 80s babes in the advert too!
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« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2017, 07:16 PM »
Tidy looking bike in the making there.  :daumenhoch:
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« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2017, 08:03 PM »
Looks a good quality frame   :4_17_5:

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« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2017, 10:59 PM »
Looking forward to this one.
I am also interested in the 'Procraft' frame pictured in this thread. I like frames with track racing dropouts, I have one myself. Although frequently associated with low end BMX (unjust as far as my research has shown) they are kinda' neat.
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« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2017, 12:08 PM »
Nice one Mick - every day is a school day on here  :daumenhoch:

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« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2017, 01:11 PM »
Very nice find Mick! The weldings looking really good!  :4_17_5: I'll keep an eye on this thread  :daumenhoch:

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« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2017, 04:18 PM »
Lovely looking frame that Mick. When I first saw the Ross Piranha ad I wondered if it was a Tange frame but later found out about the Ishiwata connection. Are you sure about Tange fabrication on this? I would have thought US fabrication was more likely :/

Is there anything stamped on the forks?
« Last Edit: January 04, 2017, 04:21 PM by monkian »

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« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2017, 11:23 AM »
Thanks for the comments guys! For what it's worth, I prefer the babe in black on the left!  :daumenhoch:

Lovely looking frame that Mick. When I first saw the Ross Piranha ad I wondered if it was a Tange frame but later found out about the Ishiwata connection. Are you sure about Tange fabrication on this? I would have thought US fabrication was more likely :/

Is there anything stamped on the forks?

Cheers Paul! I'll bow to your greater wisdom on all things Tange, as I have no real idea on the fabrication - that was just supposition on my part, going on the Tange BB and Ishiwata tubing. 2 + 2 = 5 and all that! :daumenhoch:

Actually, when I first picked up the frameset I contacted Tom Kellogg, the framebuilder who worked for Ross in the early 80s (he designed their high-end road bikes) to see if he could shed any light on it but he said that he'd had no involvement with the BMX bikes. :'(

I will check the forks. What are you expecting to see, if anything?
From Dorset to Japan:- http://www.radbmx.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,182215.0.html
Ok riders, random start. Riders ready, watch the gate old gaijin make a fool of himself! :D

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« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2017, 01:33 PM »
Does it have the classic Tange type T stamp serial on the BB Mick? I know you put a lot of time in researching your builds and it could well have been fabricated in Japan, I'm just not sure Tange would take an order without using their own tubes. I've read that Ishiwata tubes were extremely highly regarded and produced a similar range of products to Tange. There's also a slight difference in the shape of the drop-outs to the ones Tange used.

If the BB has the classic T stamp it could well be that it was fabricated by Toyo (as in the custom race bike you spotted a while back) ;)

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« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2017, 02:32 AM »
BB pic as requested, with one of '83 Laserlite by way of comparison! :daumenhoch:

Same fabricator perhaps?? I was thinking about contacting Toyo anyway (about the afore-mentioned, new school race rig!), so maybe I should send them these BB pics and see what they say! I love this historical/detective stuff!! :D
« Last Edit: October 15, 2017, 10:01 AM by Mikku »
From Dorset to Japan:- http://www.radbmx.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,182215.0.html
Ok riders, random start. Riders ready, watch the gate old gaijin make a fool of himself! :D

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« Reply #17 on: January 10, 2017, 12:04 PM »
Looks like I got a bit mixed up with Toyo. Tokyo Kogyo was the fabricator ;)


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« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2017, 11:27 AM »
Actually Paul, you may still be right, as here's something that Ian wrote over on the Museum:-

Tange did not do the welding on Kuwaharas, they supplied tubes and Tokyo Kogyo (they are now called Toyo) did the welding...

In any case, it looks like both my Ross and Laserlite frames were fabricated/made/welded by Tokyo Kogyo, the former with Ishiwata tubing and the later with Tange! Glad we got that sorted! :daumenhoch:
From Dorset to Japan:- http://www.radbmx.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,182215.0.html
Ok riders, random start. Riders ready, watch the gate old gaijin make a fool of himself! :D

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« Reply #19 on: January 12, 2017, 08:03 PM »
Sweet, it's in good company then ;)

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« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2017, 05:59 PM »
I wondered why my newly aquired Laserlite had a T3 serial but not the Tange Japan stamp.
Now I know.
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« Reply #21 on: February 08, 2017, 10:45 AM »
A snowboarding trip and trying to sort out a new school race bike meant that the Ross got sidelined for a bit, but I've finally managed to get it done and out for a shakedown ride the other day. :daumenhoch:

I might lower the seat a little or even swap out the straight post for a layback but what are your initial thoughts?
« Last Edit: October 15, 2017, 10:07 AM by Mikku »
From Dorset to Japan:- http://www.radbmx.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,182215.0.html
Ok riders, random start. Riders ready, watch the gate old gaijin make a fool of himself! :D

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« Reply #22 on: February 08, 2017, 02:52 PM »
Looks spot on Mick

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« Reply #23 on: February 08, 2017, 02:55 PM »
Like it, like it, like it  8) :daumenhoch:
Maybe push the seat back on the rails a tad but it's a super sweet build dude.

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« Reply #24 on: February 08, 2017, 02:58 PM »
Turned out well needs a Ross seat.

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